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"
And
what
does
that
mean
?
It
means
that
you
can
never
know
ultimate
reality
.
Your
brains
are
empty
when
you
are
born
.
Appearances
,
or
phenomena
,
are
all
the
content
your
minds
can
receive
from
your
five
senses
.
Then
noumena
,
which
are
not
in
your
minds
when
you
are
born
,
have
no
way
of
getting
in
"
"
I
deny
"
Kreis
started
to
interrupt
.
"
You
wait
till
I
m
done
,
"
Norton
shouted
.
"
You
can
know
only
that
much
of
the
play
and
interplay
of
force
and
matter
as
impinges
in
one
way
or
another
on
our
senses
.
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You
see
,
I
am
willing
to
admit
,
for
the
sake
of
the
argument
,
that
matter
exists
;
and
what
I
am
about
to
do
is
to
efface
you
by
your
own
argument
.
I
can
t
do
it
any
other
way
,
for
you
are
both
congenitally
unable
to
understand
a
philosophic
abstraction
.
"
"
And
now
,
what
do
you
know
of
matter
,
according
to
your
own
positive
science
?
You
know
it
only
by
its
phenomena
,
its
appearances
.
You
are
aware
only
of
its
changes
,
or
of
such
changes
in
it
as
cause
changes
in
your
consciousness
.
Positive
science
deals
only
with
phenomena
,
yet
you
are
foolish
enough
to
strive
to
be
ontologists
and
to
deal
with
noumena
.
Yet
,
by
the
very
definition
of
positive
science
,
science
is
concerned
only
with
appearances
.
As
somebody
has
said
,
phenomenal
knowledge
cannot
transcend
phenomena
.
"
"
You
cannot
answer
Berkeley
,
even
if
you
have
annihilated
Kant
,
and
yet
,
perforce
,
you
assume
that
Berkeley
is
wrong
when
you
affirm
that
science
proves
the
non
-
existence
of
God
,
or
,
as
much
to
the
point
,
the
existence
of
matter
.
You
know
I
granted
the
reality
of
matter
only
in
order
to
make
myself
intelligible
to
your
understanding
.
Be
positive
scientists
,
if
you
please
;
but
ontology
has
no
place
in
positive
science
,
so
leave
it
alone
.
Spencer
is
right
in
his
agnosticism
,
but
if
Spencer
"
But
it
was
time
to
catch
the
last
ferry
-
boat
for
Oakland
,
and
Brissenden
and
Martin
slipped
out
,
leaving
Norton
still
talking
and
Kreis
and
Hamilton
waiting
to
pounce
on
him
like
a
pair
of
hounds
as
soon
as
he
finished
.
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"
You
have
given
me
a
glimpse
of
fairyland
,
"
Martin
said
on
the
ferry
-
boat
.
"
It
makes
life
worth
while
to
meet
people
like
that
.
My
mind
is
all
worked
up
.
I
never
appreciated
idealism
before
.
Yet
I
can
t
accept
it
.
I
know
that
I
shall
always
be
a
realist
.
I
am
so
made
,
I
guess
.
But
I
d
like
to
have
made
a
reply
to
Kreis
and
Hamilton
,
and
I
think
I
d
have
had
a
word
or
two
for
Norton
.
I
didn
t
see
that
Spencer
was
damaged
any
.
I
m
as
excited
as
a
child
on
its
first
visit
to
the
circus
.
I
see
I
must
read
up
some
more
.
I
m
going
to
get
hold
of
Saleeby
.
I
still
think
Spencer
is
unassailable
,
and
next
time
I
m
going
to
take
a
hand
myself
.
"
But
Brissenden
,
breathing
painfully
,
had
dropped
off
to
sleep
,
his
chin
buried
in
a
scarf
and
resting
on
his
sunken
chest
,
his
body
wrapped
in
the
long
overcoat
and
shaking
to
the
vibration
of
the
propellers
.
The
first
thing
Martin
did
next
morning
was
to
go
counter
both
to
Brissenden
s
advice
and
command
.
"
The
Shame
of
the
Sun
"
he
wrapped
and
mailed
to
The
Acropolis
.
He
believed
he
could
find
magazine
publication
for
it
,
and
he
felt
that
recognition
by
the
magazines
would
commend
him
to
the
book
-
publishing
houses
.
"
Ephemera
"
he
likewise
wrapped
and
mailed
to
a
magazine
.
Despite
Brissenden
s
prejudice
against
the
magazines
,
which
was
a
pronounced
mania
with
him
,
Martin
decided
that
the
great
poem
should
see
print
.
He
did
not
intend
,
however
,
to
publish
it
without
the
other
s
permission
.
His
plan
was
to
get
it
accepted
by
one
of
the
high
magazines
,
and
,
thus
armed
,
again
to
wrestle
with
Brissenden
for
consent
.